Gestohlenes Geld von ledger nano x
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Guten Tag zusammen,
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gestern war ein wirklich schlechter Tag.
Es scheint, dass jemand alle meine Ersparnisse in btc von meinem ledger nano live, in einer Transaktion zu nehmen.
Ich meine, ich und meine gf wir kauften die ledger im Jahr 2020 richtig, um unsere Mittel sicher zu halten.
Wir haben es nie verwendet, bis in diesem Jahr, dass wir wirklich in den Handel Krypto und Aktien bekam.
Das erste Mal, dass wir Gelder auf dem Ledger gespeichert war im Dezember letzten Jahres, und vor 2 Tagen, jemand, toke es alle direkt aus dem Ledger, wir haben es nie verwendet, nachdem Dezember und nie zeigte jemand die 24 Wörter Sicherheit Phrase, die auf verschiedenen Stücken von Papieren liegt, nichts ist auf den Computern oder dem Web.
Hat jemand so etwas schon einmal erlebt?
Ich habe einen Artikel über gehackte Ledger live im Jahr 2020 gelesen, in dem mindestens 270.000 Einheiten kompromittiert wurden… ich kann nicht glauben, dass unser Ledger von Anfang an zu den gehackten gehörte.
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Bitte helfen Sie mir, eine Antwort zu finden, die Ledger Live-Support ist völlig nutzlos, sagen mir, zur Polizei zu gehen, dass wir alle wissen, wird nie nichts tun.
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Vielen Dank für alle Nachrichten oder Ratschläge, die Sie mir geben können.
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Well, to begin with, your funds are never in your ledger device nor in ledger live. They are on the blockchains, on the internet. The only thing stored in your ledger device are your access keys to your accounts, which are all calculated from your 24-word recovery / seed phrase. Ledger live is just an interface, and your keys are not stored in it. They are secured in your ledger device.
Note that anyone who have access to your 24-word recovery / seed phrase have access to all your accounts.
If someone took / stole your funds without using your ledger, this means that you somehow leaked your recovery / seed phrase.
Usually people leak their seed when they do stupid things like storing it on a computer or cloud, or taking a photo of it with a phone.
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Even if your devices were hacked they would have no way to steal funds without your seed, which is known only by you. You either interacted with illegitimate software, clicked a link, approved/ signed a transaction by accident or compromised the seed by storing it digitally (photo) or someone in the real world has seen it written down.
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So basically there are only a few things that could have happened.
1. (By far most likely) You (or your girlfriend) accidentally leaked your seed phrase (obviously you or your girlfriend don’t remember doing it or even realized you were doing it, that’s why I’m saying you accidentally did it).
2. (Not that likely but still an option) A thief got access to the physical paper where you have your seed phrase and then stole your crypto
3. (Not that likely, but still an option) You’re trolling
4. (Not that likely but still an option) Your girlfriend is lying to you and stole your crypto
5. (Extremely unlikely, for all intents and purposes zero likelihood) The Ledger has a bug or similar and a hacker hacked into the Ledger and extracted the seed
6. (Extremely unlikely, for all intents and purposes zero likelihood) Ledger has implemented a backdoor and is stealing money from an extremely small amount of their customers.There are a few more, but if you’re not trolling I would say it’s over 98% likelihood you or your girlfriend accidentally leaked your seed phrase. If not, your girlfriend most likely stole it from you intentionally.
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Go to the police and get a police report and then track the funds, if the person that stole is silly enough to send to a exchange wallet like binance send the exchange your police report and the transaction details so they can freeze the account.. they most likely won’t do a thing without a police report so you need it at hand.
If you and your GF are truthful you guys unintentionally messed up somewhere along the way some how, you have to acknowledge that at least. Maybe you will never find out how. Did you ever put that seed into another wallet even a 100% legit one? Was your seed physical locations secure at you and your GF’s places? Did you wright it on a pad and leave an imprint. Point your phone camera at your seed even when not using the camera, speak it out. Only you and your GF know what you did with the seed. I recommend setting up a 25th passphrase for extra security though it maybe to much for some people to manage also.
If your ledger is legit bought from a trusted place and verified and you set it up yourself its almost impossible to break into a wallet remotely unless the person messes up some where at some point. If have a windows PC I would look through eventviewer logs and see what you were doing around the time the money was stolen and days and weeks before. Or think of people that have been physically around
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As all previous redditors said, the only way to be stolen is if you made public your seed phrase by storing it online, inputting it into fake ledger live app (input it solely on your ledger device), girlfriend stole your phrase. No other way. As for the leaked data, is only physical addresses, phone numbers and email. Nothing to do with ledger devices. They’re all safe as long as you set the ledger device on your own as new.
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Sorry but it really is only possible to move funds with seed phrase or having access to the ledger.
Some people go as far to say to not even handle the phrase near a possible compromised device that have a camera.
As some have pointed out, you must also be careful with malicious smart contracts and suspicious nfts on you wallet, because they can exploit your wallet, because they are basically exe files that will execute a command if you interact with it.
The incident you’re talking about was not about Ledger devices being compromised but customer information like names and physical addresses being leaked. -
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and another one. First of all let me congratulate you on being the only person who when hacked was not to blame. To own the only „ledger nano live“ (whatever that is) to be hacked. Of course you can produce zero evidence, some people might even suggest you made it all up. Of course I wouldn’t suggest that’s how you get your rocks off. MUCH>
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Hi 👋 We are very sorry to hear this, loss of funds can happen for a variety of reasons. Please review this [article](https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/7624842382621-Loss-of-funds) to learn about the next steps. Please file a claim with your local police department and then share the details with our team for us to participate in the investigation.
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