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Mir wurde vor kurzem mein Nano X zusammen mit meinem Laptop gestohlen, auf dem meine Seed-Phrase und mein Pin irgendwo versteckt sind (ich kann mir nicht sicher sein). Ich habe einen neuen Nano gekauft und ihn mit meinen ursprünglichen Seed Phrases wiederhergestellt, von denen ich eine Papierkopie hatte. Alle meine Kryptowährungen sind noch da, aber wenn der Dieb meine Seed Phrases und Pin irgendwie findet, was kann ich tun, um sicherzustellen, dass er keinen Zugriff darauf hat. Mache ich einfach ein neues Wallet für jedes Asset in Ledger Live und übertrage jedes Asset auf diese neuen Wallets? Wird das funktionieren, oder wird der Dieb auch diese neuen Wallets sehen, wenn er Zugang zu meinem gestohlenen Nano erhält? Kann mir bitte jemand detaillierte Anweisungen geben, was zu tun ist, denn ich bin ein bisschen ratlos. Und ja, bevor Sie mich ausschimpfen, ich verstehe das. Ich werde von jetzt an auf jeden Fall viel vorsichtiger sein.
Vielen Dank 🙏🏼
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>Do I just make a new wallet for each asset in ledger live and transfer each asset to those new wallets? Will that work or will the thief just see those new wallet’s too if they do get access to my stolen Nano?
The thief would still have access to those if the Ledger was using the same seed phrase as before. You need to send all your crypto to a temporary wallet (or exchange, etc), and then reset your Ledger to get a new seed phrase. Then add new accounts for that in Ledger Live, and send your crypto back to those new accounts. (then you can delete the old accounts that show up in Ledger Live, the ones connected to your old seed phrase)
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> Do I just make a new wallet for each asset in ledger live and transfer each asset to those new wallets? Do I just make a new wallet for each asset in ledger live and transfer each asset to those new wallets?
No. A new wallet isn’t sufficient.
Let’s use a bit of common sense here: you have restored your wallet with your seed phrase. So whatever wallets you generate off of the seed phrase is accessible by knowing the seed phrase. The thief has your seed phrase too.
Anything that is tied to the compromised seed phrase is compromised. The only way to break this chain is to have something that the thief **doesn’t** have: a **new** seed phrase.
It’s not sufficient to merely move the funds to a „new“ address if it’s still on the same seed phrase.
> Will that work or will the thief just see those new wallet’s too if they do get access to my stolen Nano?
No, the situation you described won’t work for the reasons I mentioned above. Access to the stolen Nano isn’t your biggest concern here. It’s access to your seed phrase that should be your biggest concern.
Remember: you were able to restore your funds with the seed phrase and without your Nano. The thief can also restore your funds with the seed phrase and without your Nano. **You seem to be forgetting that every action that you’ve taken so far is duplicatable by the thief.**
If you do something that the thief can also physically replicate, what makes you think your lost coins will recognize you as its rightful owner?
> Can someone please give me detailed instructions on what to do please as I’m a bit lost.
Move the coins to a new seed phrase.
Type an incorrect PIN three times into your Ledger Nano device to wipe your device clean. Then generate a new seed phrase that **the thief has never seen before**. Write down this new seed phrase and make sure you write it down accurately. Connect your Ledger Nano device to Ledger Live and generate new receiving addresses from your new seed.
Now, we need to access the coins that are on the old, compromised seed.
There’s a few ways to do this:
* If you only own Ethereum and Ethereum-based coins, you can merely type your compromised seed phrase into MetaMask and use MetaMask to send the coins to your new address.
* If you own Bitcoin, you can type your compromised seed phrase into Electrum and use Electrum to send the coins to your new address.
* If you own Polkadot, you can type your compromised seed phrase into Talisman and use Talisman to send the coins to your new address.
* If you own a million different tokens on a million different networks, it might be easier to use your Ledger Nano device to access your funds. In this case, type an incorrect PIN three times into your Ledger Nano device to reset it again. After it’s been wiped clean, restore your wallet with your stolen seed phrase. Connect your Ledger Nano device to Ledger Live. Send all the coins to the new seed phrase. Then, type an incorrect PIN three times yet again and restore your wallet with the new seed phrase. All in all, I’d expect this process to take about 90 minutes to 2 hours.
Whichever option you use, you must ensure that the transactions are sent to the correct address. If you have a typo or malware that effects your destination address, you will lose all of your funds permanently. You may want to consider small test transactions, if you think that’s right for you.
You must also be sure that you complete these actions before the thief does; whoever is first to complete these actions becomes the rightful owner to these coins. If time is of the essence, you can first safeguard your funds by sending them to your accounts on centralized exchange ASAP. However, this will only work if this exchange supports your token on the network that you hold it on. For example, not all exchanges will support SHIB on Polygon.
Using a CEX will also mean there’s more withdrawal fees. CEX’s can charge whatever withdrawal fees they want, that are sometimes unrelated to the true network fees.
Whatever you do, always heed the following two rules below:
* Never type your seed phrase into Ledger Live. Ever.
* Never type an *uncompromised* seed phrase into your computer (such as a hot wallet like MetaMask). However, it is acceptable to type an already-compromised seed phrase into MetaMask as long as you’re sure you have downloaded the genuine version of MetaMask and you intend to move the coins off of your compromised seed phrase immediately.
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Easiest is probably to install Trust Wallet on your phone. Transfer everything from Ledger Live to Trust Wallet (try with small amounts first), then wipe your new device (only when everything is in Trust Wallet), create a new seed on the device, add the new wallets to Ledger Live and transfer back from Trust Wallet. Do small amounts first and be careful to not transfer back to the old accounts (in fact, delete the old accounts from Ledger Live when they are empty).
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I would generate a new seed phrase asap on new ledger. Copy receive addresses for all different coin and paste somewhere. Reset the ledger and enter old seed phrase. First do test transfer for each address, if successful transfer all coin. You are now secure as can be. Never enter seed into computer again.
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Hey – we’re happy to assist you with this. Your 24 words seed phrase is the master key to all your accounts. Anyone who has access to your 24 words will be able to access your assets without your Ledger device. Even if you create a new account in Ledger Live, it is still linked to your existing 24 words seed phase and so the thief can still retrieve your assets. In your case we’d suggest setting up your device with a new 24 words seed phrase.
This 👇 article will walk you through the process. Please follow all the instructions carefully.
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/8460010791069-How-to-create-a-new-recovery-phrase-and-new-accounts?support=trueLet us know if you have any other questions.
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