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    • #2672972
      root_s2yse8vt
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      Hallo zusammen,

      Ich habe einen alten Nano S, aber wie ich sehe, werden sie nicht einmal mehr verkauft.

      Ich bin immer wieder in Krypto und war auf der Suche nach einem aktualisierten Kältespeicher Gerät zu bekommen, aber ich sehe eine Menge Hass gegenüber Ledger online gerade jetzt.

      Sind sie noch sicher zu verwenden….ist der Nano X ein guter Kauf, oder sollte ich für die Stax warten?

      Ist der Touchscreen der einzige wirkliche Unterschied zwischen den beiden. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob das genug ist, um den Preis zu rechtfertigen, da ich es immer noch an meinen PC und mein Telefon anschließen muss, um es zu bedienen, also wird es sowieso einen Touchscreen haben lol.

      Danke für die Infos!

    • #2672973
      grandphuba
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      There were two things that put Ledger on the top before:

      1. Breadth of networks it supports.
      2. The notion that it uses a secure element from which a seed nor the derived keys cannot be exported.

      1 is still true to this day. 2 has been shown to not be the case anymore nor was it ever was. While you did need to have some level of trust to accept 2 (and perhaps the supposed audits they brag about in marketing; though I never have seen them) before, the fact they have misled people (nevermind the data breaches) makes one question if one should keep trusting them.

      It’s up to you to decide whether you think you should stick to Ledger, just don’t ignore that factor of trust, let alone proselytize to others that nothing has changed.

    • #2672974
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      I’m not sure if Ledger was ever “top dog,” but there is little doubt in my mind that their stubborn insistence on rolling out Ledger Recover on the Nano X and S Plus has alienated the trust of a significant portion of their existing customers. I am also pretty sure that most would-be Ledger customers were driven toward competitors as a result of the aforementioned decision, Ledger’s stupid refusal to even consult its customers about what they want, and how they contradicted claims they had made about their devices making it impossible for private keys to be extracted.

    • #2672975
      joannew99
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      Absolutely not. Use a fully open source hardware wallet.

    • #2672976
      YaBastaaa
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      Depends who you ask

    • #2672977
      Radical_hacks
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      So, is my old school Ledger Nano S just the better Hardware wallet now since it can’t function this new recovery update?

    • #2672978
      tchofs
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      Nano S is the best legder rn

      It cannot be updated to support the recovery service.

    • #2672979
      DragonflyGloomy9768
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      I won’t be buying another Ledger.

      I had my Nano S for 5 years, used it a handful of times, the display has gone (when I installed the update) and even though it has been looked after, meticulously, Ledger won’t do anything. I don’t rate their products at all. I’m sure there are other cold wallets out there that will last more than 5 years.

    • #2672980
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      None of this considers the issue that they may have been forced into this debacle by EU or US LE to make the keys extractable by subpoena. Once the possibility of getting the keys is extant, it can be exploited by LE for their tyrannical purposes.

    • #2672981
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      I wouldn’t touch ledger if I had it to do over again. They lost my support after saying they would give up info if a subpoena was served. That tells me they will give any info they have about you with a little bullying. Not worth spending your money on their products.

    • #2672982
      Dillydoooo
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      Yes. More idiots have lost their coins by being stupid to hackers and trolls than Ledger has.

    • #2672983
      Separate-Forever-447
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      With the integration of “Recover” into all Ledger products, it isn’t a cold storage product anymore.

      If you don’t care about that, but are interested in support for a wide variety of coins and tokens, then Ledger is still top dog.

    • #2672984
      GFOviedo
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      No Ledger is not the best. I’ve got a brand new / sealer Nano X I bought as back up. Now is just paper weight.

    • #2672985
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      The Ledger devices are the ones with the cleanest track record and have never been compromised even if they were one of the first players in the field. They are the only ones to actually implement their own software stack in the secure element. The only downside of that is that not everything is open-source due to NDA with the chip OEM. However, they had it certified and audited by third parties and all the “Nano Apps” that perform the higher level cryptocurrency functions are on github.

      With that said, find the wallet that best fits your use case. Perhaps stay away from the ones that don’t use secure elements since they are always less secure.

    • #2672986
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      I don’t think there is a clear winner. I think a lot users are upset about false claims Ledger was making and that they are trying to offer subscription services. But Trezor and Ledger both have their pros and cons. But either one should be fine. I would stay away from 2nd tier companies, but that is just my personal opinion.

    • #2672987
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      Keep the nano s as there is no option on that model for ledger to introduce the back door. It’s a winner.

    • #2672988
      PoPoChao
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      I use ledger as one of my many wallets and it has served me well. I’d say it’s still a solid choice. You do you but I will always recommend doing multi sig for larger sums of your money, and ledger can be one of the most secure signers as a part of that process. My 2c

    • #2672989
      CeramicDrip
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      No. Buy a Trezor instead. Thats what imma do

    • #2672990
      kinetic49
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      Can you even consider ledger cold storage?

    • #2672991
      ExpressPen1479
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      Not anymore since the cloud seed backup service was announced. They can pull your seed from the device with a simple firmware update which they originally said was “impossible” they lied. Use an open source wallet not ledger.

    • #2672992
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      Never was. For BTC it would be Coldcard. Only reason some would think that is because it gets marketed well and you see celebrities showing it such as YG in the scared money music video.

    • #2672993
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      They are as safe to use as they always have been.

      Depends how much you trust the closed source firmware, til they decide to go open source.

    • #2672994
      OneTotal466
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      Not entirely safe to use, but safer than all the others.

    • #2672995
      Mannagun
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      Why did you have to asked this repetitive question?

      All you’ll get are crying babies copying and pasting into GPT and posting back here.

      Conversation are no longer organic.

    • #2672996
      Care_Novel
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      Nano X no issues here

    • #2672997
      allmax5
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      Use an old phone as a hardware wallet that doesn’t connect online. Ledger is done

    • #2672998
      funk-it-all
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      no

    • #2672999
      pringles_ledger
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      Hey – Ledger devices is still a cold storage wallet. When launched, Recover will be completely optional and require your explicit consent to be activated, we’ll never force you to use the service. If you don’t like the service, ignore it and continue using your device as before, you’re always in control

      Also updating the firmware will not activate Ledger Recover service by Coincover. And this update does not give Ledger any additional access, so it does not compromise security. You can either choose to buy a Nano X or Stax if you’re planning to use your Ledger with your phone. We’d encourage you to check out the white paper for an in-depth overview of the service:
      https://blog.ledger.com/Ledger-Recover-White-Paper/

      If you only plan on using it with your desktop then you can buy Ledger Nano S Plus which offers the same security and capacity as Nano X but does not have a battery and Bluetooth. This article will provide you with detailed information on different Ledger devices.
      https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015259693-Choose-your-Ledger-device

    • #2673001
      KuciMane
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      yes. don’t listen to anyone who says otherwise

      ledger is the only CW that has never been hacked.

    • #2673002
      G0DL33
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      Yes, ledger is still making crypto security hardware that works.

    • #2673003
      weedium
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      IMO, yes. That’s really all you’ll get here, opinions. Open source means nothing when you can’t read and understand code. Then you still have to trust someone. Ledger has zero hacks, decent sized company based out of France. Not a six man company selling HW wallets. Also not a Chinese company.

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