Privater Schlüssel erraten? (Noob sorry)

[root_s2yse8vt]

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Ich habe gesehen, die Mathematik buchstabiert vor auf Beiträge & Ich bin ein wenig vertraut mit der Mathematik auf Kombinationen im Allgemeinen… etwas über factorial(s)? wie auch immer… was zu bekommen ist, dass ich weiß, die Chancen sind EXTREM niedrig jemand könnte jemals erraten, die 24 Worte (2048 Möglichkeiten ea)

Aber was hat jemand zu verlieren, außer seiner Freizeit (und natürlich, dass er ein Buch zum Raten kaufen muss)?

Warum sollte jemand nicht einfach ein- oder zweimal am Tag zufällige Kombinationen von 24 Wörtern (aus der Liste) eingeben? Ich kann nicht verstehen, dass es keinen Spaß machen würde, es zumindest zu versuchen, falls man auf einen Schlüssel einer sehr reichen Person stößt.

Selbst in diesem unwahrscheinlich seltenen Fall wäre es schwer, alles so schnell zu verkaufen (innerhalb einer Stunde oder so).

Ich persönlich glaube nicht, dass ich mich wirklich schuldfrei fühlen würde, wenn ich das selbst machen würde – ich bitte nicht darum, dass das klar ist… aber ich gebe zu, dass die Idee aufregend ist. Es scheint etwas zu sein, was verzweifelte Menschen tun würden, warum auch nicht? wenn ich zum Beispiel drogenabhängig wäre oder eine wirklich schreckliche Spielsucht hätte, würde ich das zumindest passiv ausprobieren, wenn ich wüsste, dass es technisch möglich wäre

Also habe ich angefangen, mir Gedanken darüber zu machen, wie viele Menschen es auf der Welt gibt (Milliarden) und was wäre, wenn ein beträchtlicher Prozentsatz von ihnen (etwa 1B) es nur ein einziges Mal versuchen würde?

Ich mache mir Sorgen, dass es möglich wäre, dass letztendlich eine Person einfach nur Glück hat (die Chancen stehen gut, dass es nicht gleich ein Krypto-Millionär ist, aber trotzdem)?

Ich bin nur neugierig, ob es *wirklich* so unwahrscheinlich ist, *oder* ob es (wenn man bedenkt, dass es 24 Wörter aus einer öffentlich zugänglichen Liste sind) im Laufe der Zeit im Bereich der Plausibilität liegen könnte.

[hcm1976]

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Funny how people don’t get mathematics at all…

[LimitedKraken]

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«I’m a Little familiar with math on combinations» After reading your post i think you should retract that statement pal

[JaymZZZ]

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The odds of someone guessing your mnemonic are about the same as the odds of you picking a random grain of sand on a random beach on the planet and then someone else guessing which grain of sand it is you picked…ten times in a row

It would be like guessing the winning lottery numbers 1000 times in a row.

In other words, it’s not gonna happen…

[loupiote2]

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Funniest part of this post: ” I’m a little familar with the math on combinations”

[Sudden_Agent_345]

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“However, what does someone have to lose except their free time (+also ofc having to buy one ledger for guessing)?”

so cute 🙂

[ReadyGaet]

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Sure, why not give it a try ? You can try there : http://keys.lol

[loupiote2]

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> (+also ofc having to buy one ledger for guessing)

you don’t need a ledger to look is there are accounts with balance derived from a given seed phrase. You need to spend a bit more time to DYOR.

[adamlm]

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r/theydidnotdothemath

[the-quibbler]

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You can guess millions of times per second with a fast computer and the human race will likely be extinct before you find one. It’s possible Sol will have gone nova.

[FalconCrust]

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it’s actually easier to attack the private key directly, instead of the seed mnemonic plus a possible 25th passphrase. with a private key attack, the 25th word passphrase provides no additional protection whatsoever.

[ledav3]

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Search ‘how secure is sha256’ on youtube than decide if you have the time to try out some possibilities😅🤌🏿

[Tim_UK1]

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Someone could guess it and even with their first attempt but the odds are very slim.

What you need to remember is it has nothing to do with ledger or the extra passphrase – all people are guessing is a long hexadecimal number – what ledger and others do is make this number a bit easier to handle by splitting into words and then a pin and your unique wallet.

Writing down the long hex decimal number and putting it safe is just the same as writing down your passphrase but you’re far more likely to make a mistake with the hex.

[DTopBadass]

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https://keys.lol/

[Kells-Ledger]

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A 24-word recovery phrase can produce an astronomical number of unique combinations. Each word in these phrases comes from a predefined list of 2048 words. The total number of possible combinations for a 24-word phrase is astonishingly high, around 1.16 x 10^77 combinations. That’s 116 with 76 zeros following it!

In comparison, the estimated number of atoms on Earth is about 1.33 x 10^50. This equates to 133 with 49 zeros following it.

In short, there are estimated to be fewer atoms on Earth than possible combinations of a 24-word recovery phrase. Since this is the case, the chances of a recovery phrase being guessed by anyone is essentially 0.

[[deleted]]

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it would be an interesting survey question among crypto geeks. Who would steal the money if they accidentally discovered someones seed? Would be quite revealing about the character of the entire phenomenon

[PikaHage]

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Once quantum computing is legit… we may be in trouble.

[L0sT_S0ck]

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I would be more worried about the sun exploding than someone guessing the seed phrase.

[AdS_CFT_]

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Its easier money to cut your legs and arms, and walk without limbs to those asian countries where you work 18hr a day for 50cents making clothes and shoes.
Waay easier and faster money.

[Deez1putz]

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What does anyone to lose except free time?

They would need billions of dollars worth of compute and thousands of years

Or

to hire/build the quantum computer that has not yet been invented…..

[KPTA-IRON]

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Fml 🤦‍♂️

[TreacleFrequent4336]

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this is mainstream crypto 🥸

[DailyUpsAndDowns]

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OP the answer you’re looking for is yes it’s possible but not probable. People like to believe you’ll only guess the correct words and order on your very last try but it is possible on the very first attempt. No one really has the time or money to actually give an honest go at it. You’d die of boredom before even trying a hundred times.

[TheCreepNextDoor]

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Dude stop reposting the same thing twice a day

[BlackMagic_19]

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It’s much more than 2048 possibilities. It’s more than a billion.

[sudo_rm-rf_]

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[Vakua_Lupo]

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Highly unlikely, but if you use a Passphrase (Hidden Wallet), then even if someone guesses your Seed Words all they will find is an empty wallet.

[road22]

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FYI, you cannot just randomly pick 24 words to generate a private key. Each word from the list of 2048 words as a specific value. The addition of these values must have a checksum.

Please learn how BIP39 protocol works.

[bmoreRavens1995]

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It’s not 2048 possibilities….lol it’d 2048 words in the bip chart but when you do the randomness of words and order etc it’s like the amount of grains of sand on every beach on the face of earth. Good luck “guessing”

[loupiote2]

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odds are like picking up a particular atom in the universe. i.e. 0 for all practical purposes. Do the math.

[loupiote2]

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I got lucky, i randomly found a seed phrase that was used by someone else before me:

“bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon”

[sudomatrix]

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Here you go, have fun:

[https://privatekeys.directory/keypage/3080983853337097800132208756176080216447393142144458617712099968473770875297?coin=btc](https://privatekeys.directory/keypage/3080983853337097800132208756176080216447393142144458617712099968473770875297?coin=btc)

This let’s you browse through every possible private key in the universe. If you find one with a balance you can take the money. It should only take you a few billion years to find one.

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